Chigetsu's Customs

Chigetsu wrote:

Name: Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought
Rank: C
Power: C
Activation Cost: 5
Upkeep Cost: N/A
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique
Parent Technique: Breath of Water Style
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through the use of the Breath of Water Style the swordsman makes “a sword strike of kindness” that can kill the target with no pain. This is typically useful when the enemy surrenders, but can also be used together with Kirigakure’s Silent Killing Technique in order to attack with sword strikes that are both painless and silent, making it increasingly difficult to tell where the attacker is as their attacks will likely not be immediately noticed.

Spoiler:

Needs a Perception check.

Name: Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought
Rank: C
Power: C
Activation Cost: 5
Upkeep Cost: N/A
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique
Parent Technique: Breath of Water Style
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through the use of the Breath of Water Style the swordsman makes “a sword strike of kindness” that can kill the target with no pain. This is typically useful when the enemy surrenders, but can also be used together with Kirigakure’s Silent Killing Technique in order to attack with sword strikes that are both painless and silent, making it increasingly difficult to tell where the attacker is as their attacks will likely not be immediately noticed.

In order to tell if a cut by this attack can be felt by the target, there is a direct comparison of the user’s Coordination and the target’s Perception. If the user’s Coordination is higher the target is unable to feel the attacks, while if the target’s Perception is higher they may.

Spoiler:

If the user’s Coordination is higher the target is unable to feel the attacks, while if the target’s Perception is higher they may.

*^ What happens if they are equal? Also does it matter if the cut is taking off a limb or just making a superifical scratch? Are all cuts treated the same for the purpose of this technique?

Name: Water Clone Replacement Technique
Rank: A
Power: A
Activation Cost: 20
Upkeep Cost: 1
Range: Self |
Speed: A | Two Tiers below User's Speed
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Personal Hozuki Exclusive
Requirements: Hydrificiantion
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Two techniques combined together in a creative fashion - This is nothing more than the Water Clone Technique and the Hiding in Water Technique used together by a member of the Hozuki Clan. The difference is in the execution. No hand seals are needed, one less than the Tiger Seal needed to create a Water Clone. Instead the user simply makes physical contact with any body of water and floods their chakra into it. The user will liquefy their body through the Hydrification Technique, and then stream themselves into the body of water while the water replaces their form to create a Water Clone. To an observer the swap is seamless, as if nothing at all had happened, but those with some form of sensory or most doujutsu will be able to instantly see the difference. The swap happens at A-Rank speed. From this point on the two techniques work as they normally would, with the user effectively using Hiding in Water within the body of water they made contact with and a Water Clone taking their place with one tenth of the user's chakra.

The amount of water needed for Hiding in Water is small, with users being able to hide in even a puddle, and this technique takes advantage of that. It is not uncommon for members of the Hozuki Clan to use this technique through the water bottles they often carry around, through simply making skin contact through taking a sip, and then having their clone carry around their body hidden in the bottle as if nothing had happened. When hiding like this, where the user is in a body of water that would be smaller than themselves, their weight is reduced down to what the water they're occupying would normally be.

Upkeep cost: This needs to be bumped up. Firstly, A-rank jutsu generally have B-rank upkeep cost. Considering that clones don't require those, I understand you lower it further. But Hiding in Mist itself costs 3 chakra at least, so setting yours at 1 for a more advanced technique isn't acceptable.
Considering that this involves a clone technique, please add the half/half chakra splitting in your description for clarity as well.

Speed: there are two different speeds here, but I only find one back in the jutsu. Whatfor is the second speed?

Hand seals: You mention N/A, but your description clearly states needing hand seals. Please add the hand seals here.

Name: Water Clone Replacement Technique
Rank: A
Power: A
Activation Cost: 20
Upkeep Cost: 3
Range: Self | (Needs Body of Water Half a Liter Minimum)
Speed: A | Two Tiers below User's Speed
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Personal Hozuki Exclusive
Requirements: Hydrificiantion
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Two techniques combined together in a creative fashion - This is nothing more than the Water Clone Technique and the Hiding in Water Technique used together by a member of the Hozuki Clan. The difference is in the execution. No hand seals are needed, one less than the Tiger Seal needed to create a Water Clone. Instead the user simply makes physical contact with any body of water and floods their chakra into it. The user will liquefy their body through the Hydrification Technique, and then stream themselves into the body of water while the water replaces their form to create a Water Clone. To an observer the swap is seamless, as if nothing at all had happened, but those with some form of sensory or most doujutsu will be able to instantly see the difference. The swap happens at A-Rank speed. From this point on the two techniques work as they normally would, with the user effectively using Hiding in Water within the body of water they made contact with and a Water Clone taking their place with one tenth of the user's chakra. The user is able to move around in the water at two tiers below their speed.

The amount of water needed for Hiding in Water is small, with users being able to hide in even a puddle, and this technique takes advantage of that. It is not uncommon for members of the Hozuki Clan to use this technique through the water bottles they often carry around, through simply making skin contact through taking a sip, and then having their clone carry around their body hidden in the bottle as if nothing had happened. When hiding like this, where the user is in a body of water that would be smaller than themselves, their weight is reduced down to what the water they're occupying would normally be.

-The upkeep cost is low because this jutsu effectively is just two jutsu put together without hand seals, being Hiding in Water and Water Clone jutsu. The upkeep of Hiding in Water is 1 chakra per post, so I copied it over, although I did raise the upkeep a bit to maybe compensate since this is a bit stronger than the base Hiding in Water.

-The first speed, A-Rank, is the speed of the transfer. The second is the speed at which the user moves inside the water when hiding inside it, which is ported over from Hiding in Water

-The technique says that it doesn't need hand seals in the description: "The difference is in the execution. No hand seals are needed, one less than the Tiger Seal needed to create a Water Clone."

Also new tech as well. Using this to make Chi's 1 C-Rank unique booster that everyone is allowed one of.

Name: Inner Depths
Rank: C
Power: C
Activation Cost: 5
Upkeep Cost: 3
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Hand Seals: Dog → Monkey → Hare
Description: Through concentrating on their chakra, the user is able to discover further depths of previously unknown energy. This gives the user a unique ++ to their Stamina.

Chigetsu wrote:

Name: Water Clone Replacement Technique
Rank: A
Power: A
Activation Cost: 20
Upkeep Cost: 3
Range: Self | (Needs Body of Water Half a Liter Minimum)
Speed: A | Two Tiers below User's Speed
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Personal Hozuki Exclusive
Requirements: Hydrificiantion
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Two techniques combined together in a creative fashion - This is nothing more than the Water Clone Technique and the Hiding in Water Technique used together by a member of the Hozuki Clan. The difference is in the execution. No hand seals are needed, one less than the Tiger Seal needed to create a Water Clone. Instead the user simply makes physical contact with any body of water and floods their chakra into it. The user will liquefy their body through the Hydrification Technique, and then stream themselves into the body of water while the water replaces their form to create a Water Clone. To an observer the swap is seamless, as if nothing at all had happened, but those with some form of sensory or most doujutsu will be able to instantly see the difference. The swap happens at A-Rank speed. From this point on the two techniques work as they normally would, with the user effectively using Hiding in Water within the body of water they made contact with and a Water Clone taking their place with one tenth of the user's chakra. The user is able to move around in the water at two tiers below their speed.

The amount of water needed for Hiding in Water is small, with users being able to hide in even a puddle, and this technique takes advantage of that. It is not uncommon for members of the Hozuki Clan to use this technique through the water bottles they often carry around, through simply making skin contact through taking a sip, and then having their clone carry around their body hidden in the bottle as if nothing had happened. When hiding like this, where the user is in a body of water that would be smaller than themselves, their weight is reduced down to what the water they're occupying would normally be.

-The upkeep cost is low because this jutsu effectively is just two jutsu put together without hand seals, being Hiding in Water and Water Clone jutsu. The upkeep of Hiding in Water is 1 chakra per post, so I copied it over, although I did raise the upkeep a bit to maybe compensate since this is a bit stronger than the base Hiding in Water.

-The first speed, A-Rank, is the speed of the transfer. The second is the speed at which the user moves inside the water when hiding inside it, which is ported over from Hiding in Water

-The technique says that it doesn't need hand seals in the description: "The difference is in the execution. No hand seals are needed, one less than the Tiger Seal needed to create a Water Clone."

Also new tech as well. Using this to make Chi's 1 C-Rank unique booster that everyone is allowed one of.

Name: Inner Depths
Rank: C
Power: C
Activation Cost: 5
Upkeep Cost: 3
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Hand Seals: Dog → Monkey → Hare
Description: Through concentrating on their chakra, the user is able to discover further depths of previously unknown energy. This gives the user a unique ++ to their Stamina.

These seem fine considering the explanations provided. Approved.

Name: Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought
Rank: C
Power: C
Activation Cost: 5
Upkeep Cost: N/A
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique
Parent Technique: Breath of Water Style
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through the use of the Breath of Water Style the swordsman makes “a sword strike of kindness” that can kill the target with no pain. This is typically useful when the enemy surrenders, but can also be used together with Kirigakure’s Silent Killing Technique in order to attack with sword strikes that are both painless and silent, making it increasingly difficult to tell where the attacker is as their attacks will likely not be immediately noticed, regardless of the severity of the attack and damage.

In order to tell if a cut by this attack can be felt by the target, there is a direct comparison of the user’s Coordination and the target’s Perception. If the user’s Coordination is higher the target is unable to feel the attacks, while if the target’s Perception is equal or higher they may.

Spoiler:

Name: Breath of Water Style
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: N/A
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu / Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique
Parent Technique: Suiton Chakra Flow, Kendo
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: By manipulating the amount of oxygen in one’s blood through controlling their breathing pattern the user of the Breath of Water style can greatly increase their reflexes, agility, and strength until they all become monstrous. While an evolution of the basic swordsmanship style of Kendo, the Breath of Water style is incredibly adaptable and flexible.  

Taking advantage of the Hozuki’s Hydrification, movements in this style are designed to be adaptive to sudden and expected changes in physiology. It is not uncommon to see the partial liquefaction of bones and muscles to allow portions of limbs with no joints to bend at ninety degree angles, or the circulation of liquid in one’s foot to provide forward momentum without moving the legs, or holes in the user’s body to suddenly open up as to allow attacks to pass through. This allows for attacks and movements to be made that would be totally incompatible with the biology of any other human.

This style, in order to take the highest level of advantage of the Hydrification Technique, is typically used with one hand wielding a sword and one hand wielding a "gun". In other words, prepared to use the Hozuki Water Gun Technique. This gives the user devastating options at both close-range and mid-range.

Using this style modifies the Hozuki Water Gun Technique and all its derivatives to behave as if they were both Ninjutsu and Kenjutsu, as long as the user also is wielding a sword. This style, due to its focus on fluid but inhuman movements, debuffs the Perception of anyone attempting to track the user, or any of their Water Bullets, by 1 Tier.

A great deal of water is generally produced through the use of techniques of this style, although in all cases this is an optional feature and may be turned off if the user would consider it disadvantageous.

Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought - The idea of painless/silent lethal sword strikes is fairly strong. This needs more drawbacks, limitations.


Breath of Water Style: It cannot turn Water Gun Tech into Ken. Also doesn't water Gun require handsigns?

I raised the rank here and made it a derivative of Silent Killing, which Chigetsu knows. Hopefully that will help.

Name: Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: N/A
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique, Learned Silent Killing
Parent Technique: Breath of Water Style, Silent Killing
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through the use of the Breath of Water Style the swordsman makes “a sword strike of kindness” that can kill the target with no pain. This is typically useful when the enemy surrenders, but can also be used together with Kirigakure’s Silent Killing Technique in order to attack with sword strikes that are both painless and silent, making it increasingly difficult to tell where the attacker is as their attacks will likely not be immediately noticed, regardless of the severity of the attack and damage. In order to tell if a cut by this attack can be felt by the target, there is a direct comparison of the user’s Coordination and the target’s Perception. If the user’s Coordination is higher the target is unable to feel the attacks, while if the target’s Perception is equal or higher they may.

Spoiler:

Name: Water Release: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Learned Kirisame
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. This will make most items utterly useless. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities the item has will fail. All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. These items will become incredibly inflexible and unable to be moved, effectively making substance like chainmail solid and brittle. The material rank of these items will be debuffed by two ranks for the remainder of the thread. These effects last even after the maintenance of the jutsu is ended. Once taken out of the thread these items will eventually lose the rust through careful repair and maintenance, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.
Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it.

Chigetsu wrote:I raised the rank here and made it a derivative of Silent Killing, which Chigetsu knows. Hopefully that will help.

Name: Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: N/A
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique, Learned Silent Killing
Parent Technique: Breath of Water Style, Silent Killing
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through the use of the Breath of Water Style the swordsman makes “a sword strike of kindness” that can kill the target with no pain. This is typically useful when the enemy surrenders, but can also be used together with Kirigakure’s Silent Killing Technique in order to attack with sword strikes that are both painless and silent, making it increasingly difficult to tell where the attacker is as their attacks will likely not be immediately noticed, regardless of the severity of the attack and damage.

In order to tell if a cut by this attack can be felt by the target, there is a direct comparison of the user’s Coordination and the target’s Perception. If the user’s Coordination is higher the target is unable to feel the attacks, while if the target’s Perception is equal or higher they may.

Spoiler:

Name: Water Release: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Learned Kirisame
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. This will make most items utterly useless. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities the item has will fail. All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. These items will become incredibly inflexible and unable to be moved, effectively making substance like chainmail solid and brittle. The material rank of these items will be debuffed by two ranks for the remainder of the thread.

Once taken out of the thread these items will eventually lose the rust through careful repair and maintenance, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.
Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it.

Approved~

Hana Kaguya wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:I raised the rank here and made it a derivative of Silent Killing, which Chigetsu knows. Hopefully that will help.

Name: Breath of Water Fifth Form: Blessed Rain After the Drought
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: N/A
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Hydrification Technique, Learned Silent Killing
Parent Technique: Breath of Water Style, Silent Killing
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through the use of the Breath of Water Style the swordsman makes “a sword strike of kindness” that can kill the target with no pain. This is typically useful when the enemy surrenders, but can also be used together with Kirigakure’s Silent Killing Technique in order to attack with sword strikes that are both painless and silent, making it increasingly difficult to tell where the attacker is as their attacks will likely not be immediately noticed, regardless of the severity of the attack and damage.

In order to tell if a cut by this attack can be felt by the target, there is a direct comparison of the user’s Coordination and the target’s Perception. If the user’s Coordination is higher the target is unable to feel the attacks, while if the target’s Perception is equal or higher they may.

Spoiler:

Name: Water Release: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: Learned Kirisame
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. This will make most items utterly useless. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities the item has will fail. All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. These items will become incredibly inflexible and unable to be moved, effectively making substance like chainmail solid and brittle. The material rank of these items will be debuffed by two ranks for the remainder of the thread.

Once taken out of the thread these items will eventually lose the rust through careful repair and maintenance, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.
Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it.

Approved~

Unapproved

1. Increasing the rank isn't good enough, this technique essentially nullifies the user's nervous system such an invasive ability is something more akin to Ijutsu. I'm not sure how to further balance but raising the rank is insufficient.

2. Renders all items (even X-Rank ones) totally unusable and kills all enchantments. This is OP even for a derived Exclusive.

Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

Chigetsu wrote:Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

This still seems to functionally make items and enchantments unusable regardless of the rank of item/weapon/armor etc. I'm also unsure what the qualifier for 'being reduced to rust' is. Is it a length of time? Certain amount of damage? I feel like this point should be clarified as it also affects allies.

Sayuri wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

This still seems to functionally make items and enchantments unusable regardless of the rank of item/weapon/armor etc. I'm also unsure what the qualifier for 'being reduced to rust' is. Is it a length of time? Certain amount of damage? I feel like this point should be clarified as it also affects allies.

This was discussed on Discord in DMs with Nyg, where I was able to convince him away his point regarding X-Rank Items and Enchantments. Other parts were removed in accordance with his modding, such as the stat debuff and the inflexibility. Also the "reduced to rust" is in reference to the fact that this technique turns metal items into rust., which is explained as being immediate and affecting metallic items.

Chigetsu wrote:

Sayuri wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

This still seems to functionally make items and enchantments unusable regardless of the rank of item/weapon/armor etc. I'm also unsure what the qualifier for 'being reduced to rust' is. Is it a length of time? Certain amount of damage? I feel like this point should be clarified as it also affects allies.

This was discussed on Discord in DMs with Nyg, where I was able to convince him away his point regarding X-Rank Items and Enchantments. Other parts were removed in accordance with his modding, such as the stat debuff and the inflexibility. Also the "reduced to rust" is in reference to the fact that this technique turns metal items into rust., which is explained as being immediate and affecting metallic items.

For the record, now that Kirisame is a Restricted Technique I am very wary of derivatives such as this. Not saying you can't makes derived Kirisame jutsu but I think this is simply way too powerful. Denied

Kitsuki Kurahasa wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:

Sayuri wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

This still seems to functionally make items and enchantments unusable regardless of the rank of item/weapon/armor etc. I'm also unsure what the qualifier for 'being reduced to rust' is. Is it a length of time? Certain amount of damage? I feel like this point should be clarified as it also affects allies.

This was discussed on Discord in DMs with Nyg, where I was able to convince him away his point regarding X-Rank Items and Enchantments. Other parts were removed in accordance with his modding, such as the stat debuff and the inflexibility. Also the "reduced to rust" is in reference to the fact that this technique turns metal items into rust., which is explained as being immediate and affecting metallic items.

For the record, now that Kirisame is a Restricted Technique I am very wary of derivatives such as this. Not saying you can't makes derived Kirisame jutsu but I think this is simply way too powerful. Denied

After being told in DMs that this technique was approvable after several nerfs and adjustments, I'm frustrated that you went and changed your mind without giving any reasons. Since you approved this before, and you said that I can make derived Kirisame jutsu, nothing has changed here. I'd like the opinion of another mod then who I can work with to get this approved.

Chigetsu wrote:

Kitsuki Kurahasa wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:

Sayuri wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

This still seems to functionally make items and enchantments unusable regardless of the rank of item/weapon/armor etc. I'm also unsure what the qualifier for 'being reduced to rust' is. Is it a length of time? Certain amount of damage? I feel like this point should be clarified as it also affects allies.

This was discussed on Discord in DMs with Nyg, where I was able to convince him away his point regarding X-Rank Items and Enchantments. Other parts were removed in accordance with his modding, such as the stat debuff and the inflexibility. Also the "reduced to rust" is in reference to the fact that this technique turns metal items into rust., which is explained as being immediate and affecting metallic items.

For the record, now that Kirisame is a Restricted Technique I am very wary of derivatives such as this. Not saying you can't makes derived Kirisame jutsu but I think this is simply way too powerful. Denied

After being told in DMs that this technique was approvable after several nerfs and adjustments, I'm frustrated that you went and changed your mind without giving any reasons. Since you approved this before, and you said that I can make derived Kirisame jutsu, nothing has changed here. I'd like the opinion of another mod then who I can work with to get this approved.

Its not true to say I didn't give you any reason. I explicitly told you why my mind was changed and that it happened after modding the Restricted Technique version of Kirisame. My position is as follows:

Ninjutsu is a common skill which is why Kirisame is a Restricted Technique in its neutralization of them.

I never said items are strong or more significant of them than Ninjutsu, I just said complete neutralization of their inner functions along with enchantments is extremely overpowered considering how important strong gear is to a multitude of fighting styles. Upwards of six different fighting styles all depend heavily on gear to be viable and competitive and I find that a technique that neutralizes them to be overpowered.

Kirisame becoming a Restricted Technique doesn't move the power but when I noticed how strong it is a Restricted Technique, I noticed I wouldn't want some of those properties being derived into another technique that affected items/enchantments like this. The individual custom didn't change but now that its Res Tech I have even less an appetite to allow neutralization properties like that applying to items/enchantments.

I am giving a reason and did give a reason above. I didn't approve it before, I asked for changes and edits but after modding the restricted Kirisame version I thought it over and decided I wouldn't want those properties applied to a derived technique. I did change my mind and I did give reasons for it. You're entitled to seek a second opinion ofc but that's where I stand on it.

Kitsuki Kurahasa wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:

Kitsuki Kurahasa wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:

Sayuri wrote:

Chigetsu wrote:Edited to clarify this technique.

Name: Kirisame: Silverfish
Rank: S
Power: S
Activation Cost: 30
Upkeep Cost: 20
Range: 100 Meter Radius
Speed: S
Element: Suiton
Skill: Ninjutsu
Classification: Secret
Requirements: N/A
Parent Technique: Kirisame
Hand Seals: Dog
Description: A mist spreads from the user’s body or mouth, or a nearby source of water, at high speeds. Based on Kirisame, this can effectively be considered a variant. Any source of water within a fifty meter radius may be used as the origin point of this technique. Any item made of metal, or even only partially made of metal within the radius of this technique will immediately rust over completely and fully, turning the entire item coated in rust. The metallic parts will turn entirely into rust, both on the surface and interior, and then this rust ride up to form a thick coating around the other, non-metallic parts of the item. Any mechanism, complex functions, or abilities these item have will fail.

All enchantments on the item will become unable to be used. The rust will remain even if the debuff ends, but will become cosmetic. Once taken out of the thread these items will lose the rust, assuming they weren’t destroyed after being reduced to rust.

Weaknesses: Only works on items that are at least partially made out of metal. People that are made out of metal or jutsu, such as those using active Steel Release techniques, are unaffected, although an item made from Tetsudashi Steel may still be affected if not an active part of a jutsu. Although, jutsu that manipulate items made of metal, such as magnet release, does not protect the manipulated material from these effects. The effects of this technique are indiscriminate, and even the user and their allies will be subject to it. Abilities related purely to the physical form of these items remain, so a sword will still act as a sword able to cut, and armor will still provide physical protection, with only complex abilities being shut off. Additionally, removing the finer functions of this technique will not remove any stat buffs the item may give, as long as these are traditional stat buffs from the physical form of the item and are not from fine mechanics or ninja magic.

This still seems to functionally make items and enchantments unusable regardless of the rank of item/weapon/armor etc. I'm also unsure what the qualifier for 'being reduced to rust' is. Is it a length of time? Certain amount of damage? I feel like this point should be clarified as it also affects allies.

This was discussed on Discord in DMs with Nyg, where I was able to convince him away his point regarding X-Rank Items and Enchantments. Other parts were removed in accordance with his modding, such as the stat debuff and the inflexibility. Also the "reduced to rust" is in reference to the fact that this technique turns metal items into rust., which is explained as being immediate and affecting metallic items.

For the record, now that Kirisame is a Restricted Technique I am very wary of derivatives such as this. Not saying you can't makes derived Kirisame jutsu but I think this is simply way too powerful. Denied

After being told in DMs that this technique was approvable after several nerfs and adjustments, I'm frustrated that you went and changed your mind without giving any reasons. Since you approved this before, and you said that I can make derived Kirisame jutsu, nothing has changed here. I'd like the opinion of another mod then who I can work with to get this approved.

Its not true to say I didn't give you any reason. I explicitly told you why my mind was changed and that it happened after modding the Restricted Technique version of Kirisame. My position is as follows:

Ninjutsu is a common skill which is why Kirisame is a Restricted Technique in its neutralization of them.

I never said items are strong or more significant of them than Ninjutsu, I just said complete neutralization of their inner functions along with enchantments is extremely overpowered considering how important strong gear is to a multitude of fighting styles. Upwards of six different fighting styles all depend heavily on gear to be viable and competitive and I find that a technique that neutralizes them to be overpowered.

Kirisame becoming a Restricted Technique doesn't move the power but when I noticed how strong it is a Restricted Technique, I noticed I wouldn't want some of those properties being derived into another technique that affected items/enchantments like this. The individual custom didn't change but now that its Res Tech I have even less an appetite to allow neutralization properties like that applying to items/enchantments.

I am giving a reason and did give a reason above. I didn't approve it before, I asked for changes and edits but after modding the restricted Kirisame version I thought it over and decided I wouldn't want those properties applied to a derived technique. I did change my mind and I did give reasons for it. You're entitled to seek a second opinion ofc but that's where I stand on it.

This technique doesn’t completely nullify items, just neutralizes the complex functions of items made from metal. Despite you saying otherwise not all items have to be made from metal. Every single puppet in canon was made from entirely wood, and there’s nothing stopping people like Okane from registering high durability materials that aren’t metal, which he already has, and weapons being made from them. Every fighting style that relied on items would still be functional under this technique. Using bows and arrows would still work, using puppets would still work, all basic bukijutsu and kenjutsu. The only thing this technique shuts down is the complex functions and enchantments of these items, which is already a subset of a subset of items in the first place. The vast majority of items won’t even be touched by this jutsu at all, especially after the original nerfs, and the vast majority of fighting styles still work and can be used under this technique. If you’re denying this on that basis you’re more or less saying that these fighting styles are immune to nerfs, while others aren’t. You can debuff jutsu, why not items? Especially when items are free to use and require no chakra it simply makes no sense to protect this playstyle to this point.

When you gave your responses in both Discord and in this post you didn’t give any reasoning other than “it’s way too OP” and “Kirisame as a jutsu is stronger”, despite saying in the post you made on site that derivatives of Kirisame wouldn’t be banned as a concept. And it’s especially unfair to say use “Kirisame is a restricted technique” as a part of this because I made this technique, and the vast majority of the modding was done before that was true, and while I didn’t know that would be done in the first place. This technique was based off Kirisame when it wasn’t a restricted technique, and so the current status of Kirisame being a restricted technique shouldn’t be relevant, especially after you explicitly said you wouldn’t deny it just because Kirisame was a res tech. Kirisame was able to nullify all external ninjutsu as an exclusive technique, and what this does isn't a farcry from that.

Name: Dance of the Water Lily
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: -
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret Technique
Requirements: Dance of the Blossom, Hydrification Technique
Parent Technique: Dance of the Blossom
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: A fighting style based off the Kaguya’s Dance of the Blossom but altered to take advantage of the Hōzuki’s Hydrification Technique. Taking advantage of the Hozuki’s Hydrification, movements in this style are designed to be adaptive to sudden and expected changes in physiology. It is not uncommon to see the partial liquefaction of bones and muscles to allow portions of limbs with no joints to bend at ninety degree angles, or the circulation of liquid in one’s foot to provide forward momentum without moving the legs, or holes in the user’s body to suddenly open up as to allow attacks to pass through. This allows for attacks and movements to be made that would be totally incompatible with the biology of any other human. This technique increases the user’s Coordination by ++ and their Speed by ++.
Weaknesses: N/A

Name: Suiton Chakra Flow: Slash
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: 20 Meters
Speed: User's Coordination
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret Technique
Requirements: Chakra Flow
Parent Technique: Chakra Flow
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through using Chakra Flow, the user encases their blade in a thick skin of flowing water. Unlike the basic Chakra Flow though, the user will then swing their sword and launch this flowing water in a long slash towards an enemy. The water will be slashed out at speeds equal to the user's Coordination. The technique can be made to do either blunt or slashing damage depending on how the user wishes to use it, with the slash of water being able to slice as if it were a sword. After the first slash, additional may be produced at the upkeep cost if done in the same post as the activation or it is used continuously in each post following the first.
Weaknesses: N/A

Name: Dance of the Water Lily
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: -
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: Self
Speed: N/A
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret Technique
Requirements: Dance of the Blossom, Hydrification Technique
Parent Technique: Dance of the Blossom
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: A fighting style based off the Kaguya’s Dance of the Blossom but altered to take advantage of the Hōzuki’s Hydrification Technique. Taking advantage of the Hozuki’s Hydrification, movements in this style are designed to be adaptive to sudden and expected changes in physiology. It is not uncommon to see the partial liquefaction of bones and muscles to allow portions of limbs with no joints to bend at ninety degree angles, or the circulation of liquid in one’s foot to provide forward momentum without moving the legs, or holes in the user’s body to suddenly open up as to allow attacks to pass through. This allows for attacks and movements to be made that would be totally incompatible with the biology of any other human. This technique increases the user’s Coordination by ++ and their Speed by ++.
Weaknesses: N/A

Approved

Name: Suiton Chakra Flow: Slash
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: 20 Meters
Speed: User's Coordination
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret Technique
Requirements: Chakra Flow
Parent Technique: Chakra Flow
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through using Chakra Flow, the user encases their blade in a thick skin of flowing water. Unlike the basic Chakra Flow though, the user will then swing their sword and launch this flowing water in a long slash towards an enemy. The water will be slashed out at speeds equal to the user's Coordination. The technique can be made to do either blunt or slashing damage depending on how the user wishes to use it, with the slash of water being able to slice as if it were a sword. After the first slash, additional may be produced at the upkeep cost if done in the same post as the activation or it is used continuously in each post following the first.
Weaknesses: N/A

You would need to have a limit for the number of slashes you can execute per round. Something like two slashes with this upkeep.

Name: Suiton Chakra Flow: Slash
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: 20 Meters
Speed: User's Coordination
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret Technique
Requirements: Chakra Flow
Parent Technique: Chakra Flow
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through using Chakra Flow, the user encases their blade in a thick skin of flowing water. Unlike the basic Chakra Flow though, the user will then swing their sword and launch this flowing water in a long slash towards an enemy. The water will be slashed out at speeds equal to the user's Coordination. The technique can be made to do either blunt or slashing damage depending on how the user wishes to use it, with the slash of water being able to slice as if it were a sword. The user may execute two slashes per round.
Weaknesses: N/A

Chigetsu wrote:

Name: Suiton Chakra Flow: Slash
Rank: B
Power: B
Activation Cost: 10
Upkeep Cost: 5
Range: 20 Meters
Speed: User's Coordination
Element: Suiton
Skill: Kenjutsu
Classification: Secret Technique
Requirements: Chakra Flow
Parent Technique: Chakra Flow
Hand Seals: N/A
Description: Through using Chakra Flow, the user encases their blade in a thick skin of flowing water. Unlike the basic Chakra Flow though, the user will then swing their sword and launch this flowing water in a long slash towards an enemy. The water will be slashed out at speeds equal to the user's Coordination. The technique can be made to do either blunt or slashing damage depending on how the user wishes to use it, with the slash of water being able to slice as if it were a sword. The user may execute two slashes per round.
Weaknesses: N/A

Approved